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asgardeventide2012-11-21 08:33 pm
wasthemaster) wrote in asgardeventide2012-11-21 08:33 pm
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[It's assumed that Draco is around somewhere despite not being on camera immediately, judging by the fact that when the feed starts travelers are greeted with a nice view of a bedroom wall absolutely covered in diagrams, charts, graphs, drawings and notes. Literally every square inch of the wall above the bed is covered in paper marked with random colored pens. It's assumed the rest of the room is set the same way. In the background, anyone listening can hear a coffee maker brewing a new pot.
War's never been one of Draco's favorite things, but the battles in Asgard have made him think of his home world and the situation he's in. He hates thinking about it, but he's started dissecting everything he knows…hence some of the charts that are overlaying some older charts. When Draco begins to speak, he's still out of the line of vision, if only because he can't exactly face the city just yet.]
…I know this man at home who's trying to, more or less, recreate the entire world. A perfect world where everyone's exactly the same and everyone who's considered less than worthy is punished severely if they're not outright killed immediately. [This is bad. This is a bad idea to be bringing this up, but Draco's full of bad ideas and bad decisions lately.] Actually, his favorite method is to torture them severely before sparing them and then murdering them with a flick of the wrist.
But the thing is, despite the fact he's more or less a slit-nosed homicidal freak, he has a large following. Many follow him out of fear, but there are just as many who follow out of loyalty. There are many people who actually, genuinely believe our world will be better if we follow his plan for destruction and reconstruction. It's messy and violent, and yet they go along with it anyway. Funny how that works, isn't it? One has to wonder why. [It's probably for the best that Voldemort's not around to hear that one of his servants is basically disregarding everything he's been taught. But after his last conversation with Jade? Maybe he really doesn't have to be constantly fearing for his life...maybe just every other day.
Let's get to the point, shall we? His hand appears in the frame of video and he's pinning a fresh piece of paper to the wall above the bed. He soon takes out a pen and in a neat, elegant scrawl writes something on the top of the page.
The art of persuasion and manipulation
His hand hovers in midair for a moment before he withdraws it.]
What is the fine line between persuading people and manipulating them? And, as a bonus question, what is the fine line between safety and fear? Sometimes I have to wonder if the rulers of this world aren't any different, what with having to do their bidding without even asking us. And yet we do it anyway because we're told it's better this way. [He knows it's a stretch, but it's still a valid point in his opinion.] As you can see, I've plenty of room on the paper so give me something worth writing.
War's never been one of Draco's favorite things, but the battles in Asgard have made him think of his home world and the situation he's in. He hates thinking about it, but he's started dissecting everything he knows…hence some of the charts that are overlaying some older charts. When Draco begins to speak, he's still out of the line of vision, if only because he can't exactly face the city just yet.]
…I know this man at home who's trying to, more or less, recreate the entire world. A perfect world where everyone's exactly the same and everyone who's considered less than worthy is punished severely if they're not outright killed immediately. [This is bad. This is a bad idea to be bringing this up, but Draco's full of bad ideas and bad decisions lately.] Actually, his favorite method is to torture them severely before sparing them and then murdering them with a flick of the wrist.
But the thing is, despite the fact he's more or less a slit-nosed homicidal freak, he has a large following. Many follow him out of fear, but there are just as many who follow out of loyalty. There are many people who actually, genuinely believe our world will be better if we follow his plan for destruction and reconstruction. It's messy and violent, and yet they go along with it anyway. Funny how that works, isn't it? One has to wonder why. [It's probably for the best that Voldemort's not around to hear that one of his servants is basically disregarding everything he's been taught. But after his last conversation with Jade? Maybe he really doesn't have to be constantly fearing for his life...maybe just every other day.
Let's get to the point, shall we? His hand appears in the frame of video and he's pinning a fresh piece of paper to the wall above the bed. He soon takes out a pen and in a neat, elegant scrawl writes something on the top of the page.
His hand hovers in midair for a moment before he withdraws it.]
What is the fine line between persuading people and manipulating them? And, as a bonus question, what is the fine line between safety and fear? Sometimes I have to wonder if the rulers of this world aren't any different, what with having to do their bidding without even asking us. And yet we do it anyway because we're told it's better this way. [He knows it's a stretch, but it's still a valid point in his opinion.] As you can see, I've plenty of room on the paper so give me something worth writing.
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The notion that everyone could be equal, too, is similar to restoring 'balance' to the worlds, and it's with this in mind that Vanitas purses his lips a bit before responding. He's still injured from the battle, and laid up in bed, but it gives him plenty of time to think about an appropriate response.]
Persuasion's a neutral idea. It can be used for good, or evil... where as manipulation's almost always selfish.
I knew someone who'd fit the bill of what you described, too.
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...[...shit. There's more than one of them in the worlds?] Interesting. Same illogical line of thinking?
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Something similar happened in my world. It is why I have distrusted the gods and what we've been told from the beginning.
Persuasion presents an individual with all the information there is, and reasoning for choices, then allowed the person to make the decision themselves. Manipulation holds an element of subterfuge, and the one doing it is ultimately making the decision for someone else.
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Safety and fear are not mutually exclusive. One can be afraid while safe, and fearless in danger.
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The fact that there are, apparently, more worlds out there with similar situations is a bit mind boggling, isn't it?
You really think that persuasion means presenting individuals with everything there is to know? Does it tip toward manipulation if details are left out? That's a question to consider, I think.
Which is the smartest route to take then?
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If you're looking for advice on persuasion and manipulation, asking for something outright is simply ironic.
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What a fine line, indeed. Persuasion doesn't put the lives of others in danger or threaten those they love. Manipulation is stripping an individual of their mind and soul.
[Does Alice really know the difference between safety and fear? She scoffs a bit.]
Safety and fear might as well go hand in hand. What else rouses safety and protection?
Your friends or whoever they may be take sides with a "homicidal freak" as you aptly put have really no sense of who they really are. They act on what has been engraved into them and have been told to think that way. Where are the questions of what's right and what they really think? What sort of loyalty is that when it sounds like no one has a choice in the matter?
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Ah, that's a fair point. Is there anything else? Not necessarily fear always, but a strong sense of justice would probably set off the need and want for protection.
[...ouch. He's quiet again then as he mulls on that.] The other question is how to erase what's been engraved to show them the way things actually should be. Is there really such a thing as right and wrong in every situation, or can a gray area exist as the end point? Maybe it's a different sense of loyalty, loyalty to family instead perhaps. Loyalty comes in various forms, I reckon.
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She frowned at this one, though. It wasn't exactly something she liked, as topics went. The voices she'd dealt with in life, her father and general struggles against less than ethical souls always made this line very thin with her.]
Let's start with the first question and slip into the bonus points if I feel like it in a minute. The line probably exists somewhere around the point where you aren't offering a possibility and trying to show its merits anymore, and instead you're trying to make someone believe that it has a merit that they would not naturally think it does.
It's a little vague, but it's a start.
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It is a start. What if the merits are widely considered to be "the right thing"? Is it even necessary then to offer any explanation?
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... It depends on how you define them, I think. But... I always thought... persuasion meant giving people a choice. Manipulation doesn't. Or at least-- it tries not to.
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And what if a person chooses an option you don't want them to? If you continue trying to persuade them to your point of view, are the intentions still good?
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I don't think he's as bad as the man you mentioned but they both sound like good manipulators.
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Sounds that way. And how many people actually see right through this man? It just seems like a stretch that so many people would actually believe a bite would make it better.
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Persuasion means offering facts - or at least they should be facts - and letting a person decide whether or not they agree on their own, even if the goal is to have them agree. Manipulation means using what means you have, any means, to make a person agree with you. To put it simply.
Fear is a very useful way of controlling people. As is the illusion of safety. But I do not think, that if you're truly safe, you'll ever be afraid.
Which means safety is fickle.
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The real problem is that there are several areas that are gray in the sense that you can present some fact but not others in order to get someone to agree with you. If it's still their own will to say yes and join you, would it be considered manipulation since not all of the details have been disclosed? Some say yes, some say no.
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Havve a little respect for your neighbors, wweirdo, an' havve your little mental breakdowwn somewwhere else. You're fuckin' loud.
[He wasn't, actually, but Eridan's in a bad mood and has decided to take it out on other people. Like he always does.]
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You do realize you're quite capable of getting off your arse and walking away, don't you?
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[Video] well thank YOU. I've been wanting to tag him off Eridan more anyway
[Video 1 of 2] Aaaaand hiatus. But I'll be around for fast tagging as soon as the semester's over.
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[gee, Lea, sounds like you've had practice with that.]
As for your bonus question, some might say that if you live life too safely, you'll never experience it to the fullest. Or something like that.
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these are all lessons she has learned from littlefinger, and the question is one that she has thought of and turned over more than a few times since her arrival in asgard. but it won't do to seem so shrewd. )
You ask such fearsome questions.
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Ah, his accent. She's familiar with it.]
What makes them not worthy?
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text; I'm late idk if you care
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